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I dont disagree that extending Nostrand is a good idea rather that as the only option is a subway that increases costs. The 3 cannot be extended as, in order to get the most capacity out of the line, the Rogers Junction needs to be rebuilt and this will segregate local and express trains. You are correct that the larger option would require shutting down service which is one reason Im in favor of the smaller option. February 10, 2019 12:27pm Mark Mellone A woman was in critical condition after she ended up under a train at the Utica Avenue subway early Sunday morning, cops said. What if we could do the outer el portion without the costly subway for now and at least temporarily connect it to a lower cost service? Most of these riders are coming from the bus so simply extending the IRT south isnt going to strain the system. . Today, police released a photo of the suspect, who is still at large. Now for the second option. This configuration would have other benefits as the riders who are now coming from furthest away have default express trips while the 7th Ave Express-Eastern Parkway Local 2/3 trains can now have more even headways, reducing delays. Unusually, there are two mezzanine levels; the upper mezzanine level was closed off after a 1995 renovation, and the lower mezzanine level is actually the platform level of the unbuilt Utica Avenue line. Before the renovation of this station in 1995, it was possible to see the unfinished station from the mezzanine. Parkchester on the 6. The second plan would be far cheaper but would require that only local trains have access to Nostrand Ave while the express trains would split past the junction so that half would continue as locals and the other would run express. I would totally be open to the idea of just using Nassau and keeping the B/D on the Manhattan Bridge. Re: your Second Avenue plans and connecting to the Queens Blvd Line; those concerns are only salient if you assume the Queens Blvd Bypass is never going to happen. But for Brooklyn, maybe 4? From the South 4th St station to Eastern Parkway is another 3 miles which would parallel the existing J/M/Z trains. And D, when the line is being built, less lanes will have to be teared up. It has to go BWY7 which means local tracks in Brooklyn. 2. Even before revenue service or full tunnels were dug the six-track station was a relic of another era. Also with the 5 running past Eastern Pkwy to Kings Plaza, will the B46/B46 SBS still run down Utica Av for the full length or will the SBS be shut down and the B46 local run from the 4/5 train up to Williamsburg? Another diamond crossover, east of here, connects the southbound express track to a ramp down to the lower level. Two deteriorating telephone poles were converted into a matching set of enormous arrows. Many will overload the (N) train as a result. Constructed in 1923, Union Station served the . Between Myrtle-Broadway and Fulton St the line would down Stuyvesant Ave. No stations along this stretch were detailed by IND engineers but given typical station spacing one could guess that two stations would be needed, one between Lafayette and Greene Aves and another at Halsey St. Place station house under tracks in median. F,L,M all times except late nights, 1,2. Abandoned Mineral . So thats what the future holds: deep tunnels and expensive stations. When you were envisioning your Montague Tunnel connection did you explore a Hanson Place route as an alternative? As per your proposal. Renovations also added new old-fashioned light fixtures with modern sodium-vapor lamps in them, which are suspended on long rods from the high, vaulted ceilings. And D as well if cut-and-cover is used. Contents 1 History 2 Station layout 2.1 Unfinished station 2.2 Exits [21], This underground station serves local and express trains in a two-level layout with two island platforms. This is the level of transit that buses provide for a fraction of the cost. Ok, I understand you so desperately want the Rogers Junction to be rebuilt. But can a three way switch be built between Nostrand, President, and Franklin? The Utica Avenue extension in particular has been proposed several times as part of the New York City Transit Authority's 1968 expansion proposals, in older pre-unification plans, and in the competing pre-unification expansion plans of the Independent Subway System (IND). It will cost less. Gov. With IRT you are constrained slightly but smoothing out the Rogers Junction gives you more to work with and if Utica proves more popular than New Lots then you could run some special 4 trains down there at rush hour. 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This leads me to propose that the first part of the plan to be built is the Utica Ave stretch from Eastern Parkway to Kings Plaza connecting to the IRT Eastern Parkway Line but with provisions for a future extension north (all tunnels would be built to the larger B division specs). Few problems. If so, it could be served by alternate runs of the E or as a second express provided a suitable terminal could be found. In California money itd be about 2. See the problem? You bring up a good point. But what Im proposing, and what Im sure no City plan would dare propose, is that the line not run above the center of the avenue such as existing elevated but rather along private land on the west side of the street. Between Fulton St and Empire Blvd, Utica Av is a two lane street, past Empire its a four lane street. BUT in order for that to happen you have to shut down service between Franklin and Flatbush and Franklin and New Lots. If not too difficult, another phase could be to make the new junction after the existing Utica Avenue station so that, instead of switching between New Lots and Clarendon Road, there be a third switch to the north with an extension up to Utica Avenue and Fulton Street, utilizing the existing shell and completing it, while switching it to an IRT width. on Jamaica Ave to burrow the Broadway El into Fulton Lines station. Theres only four local stations and it could probably crawl through three of them in a skip-stop with the C. You were playing around with skip-stop on Nostrand; maybe itd make sense here. 8. que mangent les gendarmes insectes. still hanging up there and apparently needing the dead space over ENY Hidden behind a tall chain-link fence and gate is a tunnel that's been virtually untouched since it was built in the 1980s. I highly disagree with connecting SAS to Nassau. In the Bronx the Grand Concourse Subway was designed to at least compete with the Jerome Ave elevated if not eventually replace it and in Brooklyn the Fulton St Subway was built to replace the Fulton El out to Queens with provisions built to allow a connection with the Jamaica Ave elevated. B, the curve wont be as sharp when the train curves down Flatbush to Kings Plaza. This leaves the possibility of resurrecting the Worth St Line, a branch off the 8th Ave local that would split south of Canal St and head east via Worth St and East Broadway. Spend that 343 million in 9-year-old dollars and where do the additional runs go? No spidery stairwells going to the ground. Meaning that in order for a IND to run down Utica Av, Utica Av would have to be destroyed and rebuilt around the same area of the 3/4 station. You are proposing adding a couple billion dollars for what isnt all that much more capacity in the grand scheme. The line was proposed to cut across town to Columbus Circle, one avenue block away. Eastern Py Utica Av. [24] It consists of ceramic tiles of the sun and moon on the platform walls. 1135 Eastern Parkway. Unlike at Eastern Parkway there were no track connections ever designed and the station itself sits in the middle of the intersection. The IRT built their Utica Ave station west of Utica Ave with turnouts in the track walls so that a branch could split. The developers wrote that they raised all the station platforms so that a 1.5% grade would help the trains accelerate. You could replace Lafayette Ave with a new station that joins the fray and then shares track with the R. 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Fake it. While there are arguments to be made for extending the Nostrand Ave Line south I would argue that with the addition of Utica Ave that demand would be reduced as riders coming from the east or southeast would take Utica over a bus to Nostrand. The 9 residences, all located at Avenue M can all be replaced (and with new development replaced 100 times over) while the commercial and industrial buildings would all be replaced by buildings of much higher density and better uses than chop shops. 31, is a three-track elevated line. Doesnt matter. Excellent nonetheless. Anyway: I think that lots of expansions where there is no ROW to just place cars on, instead could be put into service as light rail (granted there are no obstacles like narrow roads and triggered politicians who cause everything to stop working) could be a nice supplement to the subway (free transfers too!) Top track level Contract 2 extended the original line from City Hall in Manhattan to Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn. In fact I am writing this today because I want to get ahead of whatever the official plan might state; I have very little faith in MTA planners and I feel that anything they release will be overly designed in a way so that its D.O.A. A flying junction could in fact be built using the existing provisions but the new platform would have to be south of the existing station. Another elevator from the south mall leads to fare control.[23]. Two narrow staircases and one elevator connect both platforms to a small upper level mezzanine that has two public restrooms (one for men and the other for women) and leads to a bank of turnstiles. Replace the most cumbersome and unattractive of existing el structures with I have two comments. Use upside down flying buttresses (floating buttresses?). The subway itself would run straight down Utica Ave with potential stations at Empire Blvd, Linden Blvd-Church Ave and Clarendon Rd. 3 trains dont go to Brooklyn late nights. And this is exactly what you or I would do in their shoes. There is actually going to be a place to connect that will be much easier; the Second Avenue Subways current iteration is supposed to have lower level storage tracks from 21st to 9th Sts. I never said I disagreed with staging it so that Utica is first built. There is also limited rush hour 2 and 5 services here. Wilson Ave. Hmm, cant fit both Triborough RX and the L in the open cut because you need a freight track? That leaves the Broadway portion But boring tunnels is much more common these days. Off-road (Chicago style). There were blocked stairways up from the platform level to the upper level that were removed during the station's renovation. Far simpler with more capacity. Barring a brand new line paralleling the EPL and Fulton, which wouldnt make sense as long as capacity can still be raised on those lines, the Fulton Street line looks like the only way to ever realize that greater capacity.

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