(thankfully returning in '81). But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Baseball burnt him out. September 29, 2007 The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. Feat Fan I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. Lolich may be a legend in Detroit based on his 1968 World Series performance, but he was at the end of his career by 1976. March 22, 2005 The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. November 12, 2006 Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! Cut him some slack. Bartolo Colon etc). Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. He goes up one notch for being a character! The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! snook The point is he made a bad team worse. senor ortiz However, Mets management, in their infinite wisdom, wanted to trade Rusty Staub so badly, that they were willing to get anything in return, and actually had to go to great lengths to convince Lolich to come to the Mets. Gary from Chesapeake The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. TimesMachine is an exclusive benefit for home delivery and digital subscribers. Lolich may be a legend in Detroit based on his 1968 World Series performance, but he was at the end of his career by 1976. How many did he own? How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. April 30, 2009 Randy Tate However, it baffled me why the '76 Mets, who had Seaver, Koosman and Matlack, would trade one of their best hitters and an every-day player (and they didn't have that many good hitters) for a fourth or fifth starting pitcher. 6'1", 170???? $308.32. Jamey Bumbalo Yes, Mickey had some great years with the Tigers, no disrespect to him, but acquiring him at the cost of Rusty was one of the Mets' top three bonehead trades. After one year in New York Lolich retired. December 20, 2019 He pitched very good ball for you. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! God bless him wherever he is and good luck! According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. He started 45 games and completed 29. - Now for the trade itself. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the January 12, 2011 Once the Tigers won in 84 I gave up on having a 2nd favorite because their win did nothing for me. Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. May 9, 2002 August 7, 2018 My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. Trace the evolution of the Mets official uniform over the years. Bartolo Colon etc). Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Cy McCaughna built this private resort on M24 near Heights Road in the late 1930s. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. Poor Mickey. John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. 6'1", 170???? What a sore disapppointment it was to see Staub take over rightfield (with his gnat's piss arm) after watching Kaline out in right all of those years in Detroit. Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. August 11, 2015 I remember when M. Donald Grant traded Staub for Lolich he explained it to disgusted NY sports fans by saying something like "the team needs more speed. Jim Snedeker In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. I had never heard my mother get so angry at a Mets player. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. October 19, 2011 Bartolo Colon etc). A 20-game winner in this business is no good if you only have 20 days in a row that are good. He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. Feat Fan Mike B God bless him wherever he is and good luck! My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. mets There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. September 29, 2007 In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. The point is he made a bad team worse. June 11, 2003 Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. I want to show the world you don't have in gel into the ring to be a man. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. After one year in New York Lolich retired. $289.95. GoMets2006 Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! Bartolo Colon etc). He later came back to play for the Padres. He started 45 games and completed 29. Once the Tigers won in 84 I gave up on having a 2nd favorite because their win did nothing for me. April 23, 2003 Doug S. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. LA-Mets November 28, 2001 John Bruce His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. Shari Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. Al But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. April 23, 2003 April 27, 2013 This has never happened before? And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. The Mets traded the best player they ever had for a bunch of stiffs. What a sore disapppointment it was to see Staub take over rightfield (with his gnat's piss arm) after watching Kaline out in right all of those years in Detroit. After one year in New York Lolich retired. April 24, 2003 May 7, 2013 Lolich was a good pitcher in his prime - he won 3 games in the '68 Series vs. the Cardinals, including Game 7. An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. Lolich was a fine pitcher. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. March 22, 2005 Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the Mickey loved his Harley. March 5, 2006 In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. September 12, 2002 That's pretty good this day in age. Lolich was a fine pitcher. But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. Fact is Lolich was always overweight. That's more realistic but generous, I think! Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. He later resurfaced with the Padres. As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. 170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. September 29, 2007 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. Mickey Lolich has been a part of the Baseball Player list. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. =Chuck= October 19, 2011 GoMets2006 With the success of the SpaceX Crew Dragon launch did you know NASA had a Lake Orion graduate as one of their astronauts? April 20, 2002 Hey Mets Fan, Lolich never asked to be traded to New York. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. January 12, 2011 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. Larry Burns According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. April 27, 2013 Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. April 6, 2012 September 25, 2013 No contest. Cut him some slack. Ramblin' Pete =Chuck= Ramblin' Pete Man, he was a big one. Ramblin' Pete Mickey liked his doughnuts. senor ortiz He served up a home run, and my mother screamed "Lolich, you fat jerk, you stink!!!" I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. April 27, 2013 Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. I remember when M. Donald Grant traded Staub for Lolich he explained it to disgusted NY sports fans by saying something like "the team needs more speed. Shari The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. Hey Mets Fan, Lolich never asked to be traded to New York. Feat Fan Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. =Chuck= October 4, 2006 He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. May 7, 2013 But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. 170 lbs.? LA-Mets Although I'd rather have a hitter like Rusty, you have to admit, Mickey Lolich's ERA was a very respectable 3.22. Players who led the Mets in various categories, from season to season. March 2, 2003 Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. =Chuck= I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Mickey Lolich played for 16 season with 3. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. He started 45 games and completed 29. But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. June 30, 2019 Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. October 18, 2008 Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. You can't be serious. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. May 7, 2013 Staub a great fielder with a great arm? Mickey liked his doughnuts. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. July 31, 2002 No contest. They have three children. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. To this day she still despises Mickey Lolich. Bob P December 20, 2019 Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. support. =Chuck= He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? Believe me if he pitched like the ace he was in Detroit no one here would have been so quick to criticize the trade. John Bruce May 6, 2003 That would make him a star in today's market. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. No contest. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. That would make him a star in today's market. He was a big (emphasis: BIG) bust in New York. Not to say the trade wasn't awful - but come on! He later came back to play for the Padres. Anybody remember how Rusty looked those last few years in New York? Lolich - donuts Staub - steak. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. 6'1", 170???? He led the Tigers to their second last-place finish in their 76-year history. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! You can't be serious. June 2, 2006 Rusty played another decade. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. Lolich was a fine pitcher. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. Mr. Sparkle Not that THAT did squat for the Mets! NO WAY he was 170 pounds. October 13, 2008 He still knew how to pitch but had no run support to get him a winning record. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. Mike B mets Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. senor ortiz bob saunders Jamey Bumbalo That's more realistic but generous, I think! Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. December 8, 2006 As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. The point is he made a bad team worse. (Note: others featured in that section were the Knicks' Toby Knight and his wife and Rangers enforcer Nick Fotiu and his very leggy wife and kids)I also had the unfortunate opportunity to score the game against the Phillies where pitcher Larry Christensen belted TWO home runs off Lolich on a hot Sunday afternoon. Stu Baron Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. October 13, 2008 Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. February 25, 2003 Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Although I'd rather have a hitter like Rusty, you have to admit, Mickey Lolich's ERA was a very respectable 3.22. Mickey Lolich logged four consecutive seasons with more than 300 innings pitched in the early 1970s, a mind-boggling total by today's standards that the Detroit Tigers great maintains never. Rusty loved New York and the Mets, and wanted to finish his career here. October 18, 2008 Bartolo Colon etc). April 30, 2009 (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. 170 lbs.? I agree with Doughnut Shoppe patron. He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. Other than some one saying he ate donuts rather than come back to NY, does anyone know the real reason why he didn't pitch in 77? He started 45 games and completed 29. Really? Tap into Getty Images' global scale, data-driven insights, and network of more than 340,000 creators to create content exclusively for your brand. June 2, 2006 Given his sugary surroundings for the past 12 years, that's quite a feat. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. October 4, 2006 Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. Mickey Lolich was one of the greatest left-handers of all-time, no matter his size or shape. In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. support. The bat-and-ball-shaped sign confirms that the shop belongs to the Mickey Lolich, the lefty who won 217 games and struck out 2,832 batters in a 16-year career with the Detroit Tigers. 6'1", 170???? Shari September 29, 2007 The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. eddiek April 23, 2003 October 19, 2011 feat fan He goes up one notch for being a character! Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. October 19, 2011 Hot Stove Tracker Starting Lineups Transactions Postseason History Injury Report World Baseball Classic MLB Draft All-Star Game MLB Pipeline Great Stories. I remember Lolich pitching some good ball for the Mets with absolutely NO run support. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. That's pretty good this day in age. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. Al September 25, 2013 Peter I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. 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